The Harmonicaster interview with Ronnie Schreiber

Ronnie Schreiber joins me on episode 134.
Ronnie runs The Electric Harmonica Company, producing the Harmonicaster, which is an alternative to the traditional harmonica microphone, using guitar style pick-ups to create “the first practical true electric harmonica”. Ronnie first came up with the concept some thirty years ago and has been developing it in earnest over the last ten years.
Ronnie tells us the story of how he developed the idea, from the need to use steel reeds, the custom harps needed and the availability of pick-ups to use with the harmonica, and some of the harmonica players who have supported him through his journey.
We discuss the advantages of using a pick-up with the harmonica, such as having a different sound to the traditional harmonica microphone, and the feedback resistance it brings, as well as some of the challenges of using the Harmonicaster.
Links:
Harmonicaster website: https://rokemneedlearts.com/harmonicaster/wp/
The Frank Harmonica mic developed by Ronnie: https://rokemneedlearts.com/frankmic/
Harp-l post introducing the Harmonicaster: https://groups.google.com/g/harp-l/c/_ETwuJvbRRA
Brendan Power playing some Irish music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rx8kVBjAL4
The Turbo Harp: https://turboharp.com/
Dyna-mic: https://www.dyna-mic.com/
Videos:
Harmonicaster YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@harmonicaster8106
Ronnie overview of the Harmonicaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzbYxwKLPR4
Jonah Fox YouTube review of the Harmonicaster: https://rokemneedlearts.com/harmonicaster/wp/
Podcast website:
https://www.harmonicahappyhour.com
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Spotify Playlist:
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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5QC6RF2VTfs4iPuasJBqwT?si=M-j3IkiISeefhR7ybm9qIQ
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01:40 - Ronnie runs The Electric Harmonica Company, with it’s main product being the Harmonicaster: which employs guitar style pick-ups to amplify the harmonica
01:53 - The germ of the idea for the Harmonicaster came thirty years ago
02:03 - The Electric Harmonica Company is also developing a couple of other products besides the Harmonicaster
02:28 - How Ronnie developed there idea of the Harmonicaster after posting the idea on the Harp-l mailing list
03:17 - Technician Vern Smith created some steel reeds for Ronnie to use, as steel reeds didn’t exist then. Steel reeds were needed to make an electromagnetic instrument
03:29 - Ronnie lives in the Detroit area has been involved in the automobile industry all of his working life
03:52 - Contacted Lace Music, who manufacture pick-ups, who sent Ronnie a bass pick-up to experiment with, as that was the correct size
04:36 - The lack of available steel reeds for harmonicas hampered progress for several years until Seydel came along
05:30 - Peter Madcat Ruth and Jason Ricci both provided some encouragement in the early stages
06:17 - The first version of the Harmonicaster looked like a Viewmaster slide viewer
06:27 - Brendan Power has been providing advise to Ronnie over the years including the issue of pitch problems using pick-ups with harmonica
07:08 - Will Wilde also provided some input which lead to a mark two version of the Harmonicaster
07:48 - Ronnie realised he needed to design a pick-up that could fit inside the harmonica and Lace had an alumitone pick-up that was thin enough for the task
08:48 - How guitar pick-ups work
09:49 - The magnet in the pick-up needs to be the correct strength to function with a guitar, or in the case of with a harmonica, the steel reed
10:50 - Seydel provide some of the parts for the harmonicas that work with the Harmonicaster: the reeds, reed plates and combs from their Session Steel harmonicas
11:33 - Both reed plates on the custom harmonicas use are blow plates and perhaps there is no reason for having reed plates face different directions on standard harmonicas
12:03 - The rest of the components are mainly made by Ronnie using 3D printing
12:14 - Only custom harmonicas can be used with the Harmonicaster
12:28 - Steel reeds are needed because they’re magnetic
13:34 - Emulating the loud volume of an electric guitar on the small form factor of a harmonica
14:24 - More on the balance needed on the strength of the magnet
14:36 - James Antaki, the creator of the Turbo Harp, came up with the idea of using magnets to affect the vibration of the reeds
14:51 - Most people who have heard the Harmonicaster have liked the tone
15:38 - The custom harmonicas are acoustic harmonicas, and can be played as such, but aren’t quite as loud as normal acoustic harmonicas
15:48 - The reasons they’re not quite as a loud as a standard Seydel Sessions Steel
16:19 - Pick-ups are sensitive to the sustain of the reeds of the harmonica which some people noticed as an issue. Ronnie initially addressed with noise suppression but now uses foam dampeners
17:25 - Had previously discussed pitch challenges with Brendan Power
17:57 - Harmonica players love using their microphones and Ronnie doesn’t mean to replace mics with the Harmonicaster
18:59 - Has had to separate the negative criticism from positive comments about the Harmonicaster, such as not being able to use brass reeds
19:31 - Sound using the Harmonicaster is a little different than using a mic, but is still distinctly a harmonica sound
20:33 - The sound of the Harmonicaster can be shaped using effects pedals and EQ
20:45 - Sound of the Harmonicaster brings immediacy, vibrancy and volume
21:04 - A big advantage of the Harmonicaster is that it is highly resistant to feedback
21:20 - Ronnie uses a Boss Katana amp as his test rig
22:01 - Ronnie would love to be able to generate controlled feedback via the Harmonicaster
22:21 - Thinks the real major advantage is that it has a cool tone
22:30 - Other practical advantages are the ability to use it with the many available guitar effects pedals
22:53 - In his review Jonah Fox said there is no breathe noise and it can be used as an (almost) silent practise tool
23:20 - The pick-ups are ‘microphonic’ so keeps a natural microphone tone and can play the blues on the Harmonicaster
23:53 - The form factor of the Harmonicaster: is about the size of a Sony Walkman, and is a little wider than a diatonic harmonica
24:33 - Ronnie thinks it’s easier to hold than a mic and a harmonica
24:40 - Weight with the harmonica is around 200 grams, which is less than a JT30 or Green Bullet with a harmonica
25:14 - The shape of the Harmonicaster is not round like a standard harmonica mic
25:30 - Hold the Harmonicaster housing and not the harmonica when playing it, unlike using a mic
25:44 - Fits in the hand nicely and the controls are accessible with fingers on top of Harmonicaster
26:16 - Jack socket is located on the bottom
26:34 - Can’t use hand effects but you can use a wah pedal and volume swells
27:39 - The three control switches are volume, treble and bass
27:45 - Also a bypass toggle switch on top which provides more output and is brighter on one of the settings
28:36 - Originally had two types of pick-up via the bypass switch, but they are removed now as didn’t hear a lot of difference between them
29:56 - The back of the Harmonicaster has a car grille design due to Ronnie’s Detroit car connections
30:06 - Opens up the world of guitar effects pedal possibilities
31:48 - Why you can use more effects pedals with the Harmonicaster than a harmonica mic
32:19 - Doesn’t work well with a fuzz pedal due to the raspy nature of the harmonica
32:57 - One of Ronnie’s favourite pedals is the Keeley 30MS automatic double tracker, as used by the Beatles
33:45 - Ronnie isn’t that strong a harmonica player, just like Leon Fender wasn’t that great a guitar player, and the players who have supported him are not endorsers of the Harmonicaster
34:23 - The Harmonicaster is there to provide the opportunity to discover new sounds on the harmonica
35:47 - Can use any guitar amp, and without the need to lower the gain by swapping the pre-amp tubes
36:42 - Can plug the Harmonicaster straight into a DI box
36:50 - Ronnie’s hopes are that the Harmonicaster is used by some players and customer feedback has been good
37:23 - The cost of the Harmonicaster with one harp is $325
37:35 - The cost of additional harps is $85 each
39:09 - The components which make up the cost
39:34 - Ronnie is going to use a different magnet to create more output to make the Harmonicaster louder
41:57 - The new magnet allows the Harmonicaster to have differently voiced pick-ups
42:24 - People may be able to change the pick-up themselves if they have some basic skills
44:02 - The Electric Harmonica Company is developing an anti-feedback pedal
45:40 - The Electric Harmonica Company is also developing a harmonica microphone
47:00 - Long term plans for The Electric Harmonica Company
47:42 - Sees the Harmonicaster as a boutique luthier type product, which are made to order
47:53 - The Harmonicaster can be customised because they are 3D printed
48:02 - The harmonicas are colour coded to the keys
48:46 - Can’t make The Harmonicaster any smaller
49:37 - Summary of what The Harmonicaster can bring as a ‘new tool to your tonal toolbox’, just as a guitar player has multiple options
51:33 - Ronnie welcomes all innovations which can move the harmonica forwards
51:57 - Ronnie enjoys the sharing nature of the harmonica community
52:58 - Amusing that the most famous harmonica players are generally disrespected by harmonica players, e.g. Bruce Springsteen and Bob Dylan